29 WHO MURDERED LIONEL RUSSELL? JERRY CORNELIUS aka JAMES CREEDMORE, Inspector Graham Bell, Detectives Colin Irvine, Merv Theobald, Lindsay Edwards, Ernie Dickenson, Rod Drew, Peter Scott, Rob Butler, Jock Coleville et al.
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http://tvnz.co.nz/the-missing/missing-s2-e7-video-3841199
THE BLEEPED OUT NAME OF THE “OLDER MAN'” IN THE ABOVE TV STORY IS POLICE PROTECTED PAID EMPLOYEE/INFORMER JERRY CORNELIUS AKA JAMES CREEDMORE AND BROTHER OF THE MANGATITI MONSTER BILL CORNELIUS (also a Police informer). EVIDENCE THAT PHYCHOPATHS DO RUN IN FAMILIES.
IT APPEARS THAT THE ABOVE DOCUMENTARY HAS BEEN DELETED.
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THE REAL WANGANUI/NZ POLICE
Friday, 28 April 2006
The Police Commissioner
Office of the Commissioner
PO Box 3017
Wellington
Dear Sir,
Back in 1987 I complained to the then Ombudsman John Robertson about a
case of Police corruption concerning a Detective Colin Irvine of the
Wanganui Drug Squad and his rewarded criminal informer Jerry
Cornelius.
My complaint was that Colin Irvine used false information to obtain
two search warrants and later failed to prosecute Jerry Cornelius for
supplying information to the Police that he knew was false and
malicious.
The Ombudsman dismissed my complaint because Detective Irvine told him
a pack of lies about me, his alleged reliable informants and his relationship with Cornelius.
If you click on 01 Home Invasion (drugs) you will gather what I’m on about.
Attached is some fresh information that I received via email from a
visitor to page 01 on my site which I believe shows that my 1987
allegations about Detective Colin Irvine and his probable double
killer mate Cornelius were correct and that Colin Irvine lied to Mr
Robertson to protect himself and his criminal informant Jerry Cornelius from justice.
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“Jack I came across your site while searching for information
regarding the suppressed information in the Louise Nicholas case. I
didn’t find what I was looking for, but I found the name of Jerry
Cornelius.
When Jerry Cornelius first arrived at the Riamaki commune up in
Raetihi, he was already a valuable informer of some years standing for
the police. Jerry had done some valuable work for the police in
regards to the infamous Mr Asia drug conspiracy. Colin Irvine from
Wanganui was Jerry’s controller and protector. You had no chance. (My emphasis)
From the very beginning Jerry Cornelius intended to gain control of the
land, which was known as Riamaki, as you know the rest is history. It
was used to grow weed with the full knowledge of Irvine and co and
this weed was later sold to the underworld via jerry who then passed
on the information to Irvine and co who used it to arrest the
wrong doers and put them in prison. (They call it justice) To say
Jerry and Irvine were friends would be an understatement.
Jerry changed his name to James Creedmore in the early nineties to give
himself a new persona but as they say, “the leopard cannot change its spots”.
Cornelius often hosted members of the Wellington and Wanganui drug
squads at Riamaki for “lost weekend” hunting trips. Another reason why
he did what he did to keep people out of “his” valley. He made people
frightened of him. He used his friendship with the police to hide his
nefarious activities. Which included growing large amounts of weed
that the police never officially knew about but helped him distribute
while he was on the job for them. I suggest the police had an idea
this might be the case but since Jerry was delivering the goods they
turned a blind eye. In his own way Cornelius was very clever.
Eventually the police woke up to the fact Jerry was a socio-path and as
such very dangerous to them as well as to others. Jerry’s usefulness
was coming to an end, and he was retired as a credible nark. But while
he plied his trade he did a great deal of damage to the innocent as
well as the guilty. I am lead to believe he is still on very friendly
terms with Irvine.
Around 1997-8 after receiving information from a very reliable source,
the Ohakune police under the direction of then sergeant Mike Hill
launched a very discreet double murder inquiry in the back blocks of
Raetihi with Cornelius as the prime suspect. It was a very
comprehensive investigation carried out of the public eye, but with
the alleged murders having been committed some 20 years previously and
no bodies, it didn’t get very far. But Cornelius remains the major
suspect. A very difficult situation for the police to deal with.
http://tvnz.co.nz/the-missing/missing-s2-e7-video-3841199
To get the police off his back and to cover his tracks Jerry
eventually sold the land and moved north with a
pocket full of cash. The last I heard (about 2000) he was living in
Auckland.
Those murdered were a nephew of Jerry and his friend. The nephew (Lionel Russell) was
the son of jerry’s sister. She lives-lived up Whangarei somewhere.
Because Jerry was the last person to see the boys alive he always
maintained they had decided to go to Australia, This is the story
Jerry told his sister. She lived in hope he was alive and would come
back.
I remember Mike Hill drove up to Whangarei from Ohakune to interview her.
They had gone bush with Jerry to put in a dope plantation back in the
late seventies. Sometime during that period the nephew and his friend
became disenchanted with the idea of growing dope and wanted out.
Because they were so far into the bush Jerry agreed to take them back
to civilisation. (A couple of days hike through the bush) That was the
last anybody ever saw of the nephew and his friend. The theory is that
Jerry would not have trusted them to keep quiet so he shot them both
with the shotgun he always carried and disposed of their bodies in the
wilderness.
The police started their investigation with a missing persons inquiry.
This is back about 97-98 and is a matter of public record. They made
extensive enquiries around the Raetihi district seeking information.
There was a story about the missing pair on the television show
Crimewatch and a newspaper article in the Auckland Herald if my memory
serves me well. But at no time did the police make any mention of
Jerry Cornelius. It was kept as a missing persons enquiry. But while
all of these enquiries drew a blank, I assure you the police
investigation under the control of Mike Hill is in no doubt foul play
took place and the finger is pointed at Jerry Cornelius. Because of
the way this all developed, concern was raised by vested interests
with Mike Hill about the connection between Jerry and the police and
who could be trusted (in this instance Mike Hill is the good guy) Mike
assured everybody concerned this matter was being treated with upmost
seriousness. When police first questioned Jerry about the missing pair
he denied everything of course. But what he did was run straight to
Colin Irvine to find out what was going on. Eyebrows were raised in
the police ranks by Irvine’s enquiries about the case and he was kept
out of the loop, strange as it may appear, It seems Irvine is not
trusted by some in his own ranks.
A lot of the people Jerry narked on were his friends or so they
thought and would never believe him capable of treachery towards them.
As far as I am aware the people he helped put in jail for his own
rewards never knew of his deceptions. Jerry has always been very good
at creating divide and rule. Promote confusion and doubt and offer
friendship. A very treacherous man.
I suggest to you Cornelius saw everyone as the enemy to be used in
whatever way he deemed appropriate to further his own aims and
objectives. (whatever they were)
I also suggest to you the chemist shop burglary you mentioned was
carried out by Jerry and he then fingered you to the cops for his own
ends but also to discredit your credibility. With the cops on his side
it wasn’t hard to do. Not that they knew Jerry did the burg. After the
accusation is made its very hard for you or anybody to disprove. It’s
a tactic Jerry used many many times to discredit those around him.
It was suggested to me that jerry would steal property from one person
and then secret it at the property of another, then tip of the cops.
He would then sit back and play both ends against the middle. Could he
have done this with you?
I remember a time when he was milling native timber at Riamaki. He was
having a running battle with his own son Max. Jerry hammered 4-inch
nails into several rimu logs and then accused Max of sabotaging his
operation. He would create the suspicion. Who after all would destroy
their own property? Jerry could spin a story so well and convince the
gullible as to its authenticity. Jerry would go to the pub, buy drinks
for people and them tell them stories about people, places and events
that were nothing but lies. I suggest to you generally speaking people
have no comprehension of how “EVIL” Jerry Cornelius is.”
LooseLips
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So there you have it, someone in the know but unknown to me has confirmed my allegations that Jerry Cornelius was Colin Irvine’s ‘nark’ and that Cornelius used the gullible Irvine in attempt to scare me off my civil legal action against the Riamaki Society Inc. Even though Irvine knew he had been duped by his “reliable” informant he did what all “good” cops do, he lied to all the people he needed to to protect himself and his man Cornelius. I believe it’s called noble-cause corruption. Colin Irvine therefore perverted/defeated the course of justice by lying about me and my history, the circumstances of the search warrants, his alleged informants and by not prosecuting Cornelius for supplying false, malicious information about me to the Police.
He is also guilty of lying to Judge Bill Unwin. (1987)
It is because of Irvine’s lies about me that my family and I have been denied our civil rights by the NZ Police since 1984. I for one am not at all surprised that certain people, a little less stable than myself, run amok when they tire of bashing their heads against the brick wall that has been erected by evil police officers to protect themselves and their equally evil criminal mates.
What I want to know at this stage is this; did detective Colin Irvine of the Wanganui Police ever employ/use Jerry Cornelius as an informer and if so was Colin Irvine Jerry’s controller and protector and also did sergeant Mike Hill of the Ohakune Police ever launch a murder inquiry in the back blocks of Raetihi with Jerry Cornelius as the prime suspect?
This request is made pursuant to the Official Information Act 1982.
Yours faithfully
Jack Van Der Lubbe
Wanganui.
WELL BUGGER YOU TOO DR JACK, MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN WELL AND TRULY ANSWERED BELOW.
4/26/06
Sergeant? Mike Hill
Wellington District Headquarters
PO Box 693
Wellington
Dear Sir
I have received the below information via email from a visitor to my web site bentcops.org
Please correct any inaccuraties.
“Around 1997-8 after receiving information from a very reliable source, the Ohakune police under the direction of then sergeant Mike Hill launched a very discreet double murder inquiry in the back blocks of Raetihi with Cornelius as the prime suspect. It was a very comprehensive investigation carried out of the public eye, but with the alleged murders having been committed some 20 years previously and no bodies, it didn’t get very far. But Cornelius remains the major suspect. A very difficult situation for the police to deal with.
To get the police off his back and to cover his tracks Jerry eventually sold the land to Gary Rawnsley and moved north with a pocket full of cash. The last I heard (about 2000) he was living in Auckland.
Those murdered were a nephew of Jerry and his friend. The nephew was the son of jerry’s sister. She lives-lived up Whangarei somewhere. Because Jerry was the last person to see the boys alive he always maintained they had decided to go to Australia, This is the story Jerry told his sister. She lived in hope he was alive and would come back.
I remember Mike Hill drove up to Whangarei from Ohakune to interview her.
They had gone bush with Jerry to put in a dope plantation back in the late seventies. Sometime during that period the nephew and his friend became disenchanted with the idea of growing dope and wanted out. Because they were so far into the bush Jerry agreed to take them back to civilisation. (A couple of days hike through the bush) That was the last anybody ever saw of the nephew and his friend. The theory is that Jerry would not have trusted them to keep quiet so he shot them both with the shotgun he always carried and disposed of their bodies in the wilderness.
The police started their investigation with a missing persons inquiry. This is back about 97-98 and is a matter of public record. They made extensive enquiries around the Raetihi district seeking information. There was a story about the missing pair on the television show Crimewatch and a newspaper article in the Auckland Herald if my memory serves me well. But at no time did the police make any mention of Jerry Cornelius. It was kept as a missing persons enquiry. But while all of these enquiries drew a blank, I assure you the police investigation under the control of Mike Hill is in no doubt foul play took place and the finger is pointed at Jerry Cornelius. Because of the way this all developed, concern was raised by vested interests with Mike Hill about the connection between Jerry and the police and who could be trusted (in this instance Mike Hill is the good guy) Mike assured everybody concerned this matter was being treated with upmost seriousness. When police first questioned Jerry about the missing pair he denied everything of course. But what he did was run straight to Colin Irvine to find out what was going on. Eyebrows were raised in the police ranks by Irvine’s enquiries about the case and he was kept out of the loop, strange as it may appear, It seems Irvine is not trusted by some in his own ranks”
This request is made pursuant to the Official Information Act 1982.
Yours faithfully
Jack Van Der Lubbe
Wanganui.
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35-year-old mystery gets TV airing
A man who mysteriously vanished 35 years ago is to feature on New Zealand TVNZ’s The Missing show.
It will revisit the disappearance of Lionel Sydney Russell, last seen living rough in the Central North Island.
Mr Russell, who was 25 at the time, went bush after splitting up with his wife in 1975.
He spent the summer living rough and growing marijuana in an isolated part of the Ruapehu area with an “older man” he met in prison, another unknown man and an eight-year-old boy.
Mr Russell disappeared eight weeks later after leaving the campsite with the unidentified man. (Jerry Cornelius) The eight-year-old (Max Cornelius) reported hearing two gunshots after the older man escorted the pair out of the area. The older man later told the child that Mr Russell had gone to Australia.
Central Police District detective inspector Chris Bensemann said finding out what happened to Mr Russell was as important as if he had disappeared yesterday. (The cops want this matter to remain unsolved as there are too many worms in that particular can.)
“His family want and deserve to know the truth and if someone has information that will help us to bring those answers to the family we would urge them to contact us,” Mr Bensemann said.
Police said Mr Russell had a troubled childhood, he had served a three month prison sentence, and spent time in a mental institution,
He was not reported missing until 1997 when a conversation between the boy, (Max Cornelius) now 43-years-old, and a woman (Jerry’s ex de-facto Raewyn …………) appeared to confirm that Mr Russell’s disappearance was suspicious. (If Raewyn ……… is to be believed Jerry admitted to her that he had murdered Lionel.)
Police said it was out of character for Mr Russell to not stay in touch with his family. They have investigated his whereabouts in New Zealand and across the Tasman.
http://tvnz.co.nz/the-missing/missing-s2-e7-video-3841199
Note the date and addressee.
Stephen Hudson was convicted of the murder of Nicolas Pike on less evidence than is available in this case.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3097002/Hudson-found-guilty-of-Pikes-murder
Jack.
I really hope you’re keeping a close watch on your website, I was unfortunate enough to google my fathers name and come accross the load of shit that youve put out there. Honestly Jack, from what you’ve said about my father you should be arrested for, I think that you of all people should know what its like to have people turn your name to mud. Only, you are a petty criminal, and my father should go down in history for what he gave this country, he brought down a drug syndicate – have you ever done anything that great?
If you’re any sort of a real man, you’ll remove my fathers name from the slander that is this website. For once in your life, be a real man?
My Dad gave his kids a wonderful life thst i am grateful for. I wonder if your kids can say the same?
Get Ova it
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16 February 2012
The Commissioner of Police
Peter Marshall
Police National Headquarters
180 Molesworth Street,
Wellington.
Dear Sir,
Is it a fact that one time Police informer and probable double murderer James Creedmore aka Jerry Cornelius aka Philomel Cornelius has died and that he made a deathbed confession to the Police that he did in fact murder Lionell Russell and one other male in the Raetihi/Ohakune backblocks? If so would you please forward to me at the below address a copy of the said deathbed confession. Thank you.
This request is made pursuant to the Official Information Act 1982.
Yours faithfully,
J Van Der Lubbe
22A Paterson Street,
Wanganui 4500
NOTE WHERE THE LETTER IS FROM.
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THE BEAST OF BLENHEIM
“There’s no blood on my hands!”
Bloody bastard Jerry Cornelius aka James Creedmore
doing an impression of someone who’s been blasted with a shotgun.
‘Don’t worry Jerry, I’ll make sure it washes right off.’
The above letter written by Jerry, this was about the time he became aware, that Mike Hill was looking into Lionel’s disappearance, Jerry visited Ngaire,on his return from this visit, he then penned the above letter, (I can confirm that the handwriting on the bottom is his) and, only Jerry could write such a letter. For those of you who are wondering what this sick letter is all about, (note the highlighted areas), as I know Jerry very well, (unfortunately) I know what he is really saying to his sister Ngaire, yes, I killed your son Lionel.” Max.
WERE THE ABOVE LETTER AND THE BELOW POST WRITTEN BY THE SAME HAND?
29. Jack, you and Jerry Cornelius are tarred with the same brush covered in crap. You both love the limelight, you both jab at people with your ugly mouths spewing vile hatred and then when they react you ACT like a victim. You are both very pathetic creatures actually. But the real reason you are so pissed off with him is that he is smarter than you will ever be in 10 lifetimes. Yes he is an arsehole but he is a smart arsehole and you are a dumb one. The reason you were kicked out of Riamaki was because you were a shitstirring big mouth (there was only room for one) and you contributed absolutely nothing to the land……… Yes, he did break open the Mr Asia ring and the flow of herion into NZ dried up because of it……..tell us Jack: What have you ever done that benefitted anyone (besides you and your inflated ego)?
MODUS OPERANDI
“We all manipulate each other and that’s OK, when its for benign purposes that help our survival
while not damaging others, particularly when this manipulation also benefits the party being
manipulated.
Now heres the rub. When human manipulation is not producing the desired results of the
manipulation he/she then psychologically slashes to death the party refusing to be controlled.
This often takes the form of destroying the uncooperative persons reputation, social or family
standing. Another aspect of this grossness is that the manipulator, having been caught out in
his/her intrigue which often involves victimisation of another person, begins a campaign to
attribute his or another evil to the uncooperative party.
In simple terms this takes the form of an unsuccessful manipulator accusing someone of nasty
behaviour that is false and aimed at punishing them for thwarting the scheme of this
manipulator. Sometimes the accusations could be more truthfully be laid to the door of the accuser.
Of course, if the innocent party has no immediate knowledge of the specific accusation then
a legend of evil is allowed to grow unchecked.
Unfortunately, when the falsely accused becomes aware of his infamous all he/she
can do is accuse the accuser in return and who can the differentiate between lies and truth.
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max said, on 14/03/2012
hi jack,
max here, it seems there is a lot of speculation, etc, on this site, I think it may be my time to step
forward, as I am the main witness, in this murder case, quite obvious by now that the spin doctors at
police national HQ intend to do nothing, the internet seems to be the only way forward, so jack, give me a call, I’m easy to find.
For the rest of you folks, no, Jerry is still breathing, I wonder who started that story (but of course himself)
and yes, there is more than enough evidence without the bodies to convict him.
There are two reasons why I am here, Lionel and his mate did not deserve to die like that,
I was only a young fella, but I remember Lionel looking out for me on a couple of occasions.
Two, in my view, anyone who tries to cover up a murder, rape etc, is as bad as the person who committed
the crime in the first place, (yes I am talking about you morons at Police HQ,) serve and protect, yeah right!
As a footnote, Bills rape case is in May, I support those ladies 100 per cent, we cannot talk about this any
further, we don’t want to interfere with the justice system, do we.
max
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Hi there all, where to start, yes, I spoke with Jack by phone, he said, yes go for it, if what you have to say is true, then no problem, he also suggested, that us witnesses, go to a lawyer, and make out affidavits, then the cops cant keep hiding from this, my reply, we are sick of making statements (been 14 years since we first came forward).
We have given up on the idea of a murder trial, its just one big joke by now, the depth of deceit is to deeply entrenched within the NZ Police (as you will soon see).
In reality, Jerry is in his early 70s, he has got away with a lifetime of crime, (except the two years for burglary and that only gave him more contacts) and the current justice system cannot give a suitable punishment for such a clever and depraved criminal. At this point, if we can make the public aware of the nasty subculture of criminality within the NZ Police (in the name of getting the job done), then we have achieved something.
I did consider using my own website, but as jack has already got the ball rolling, and I know full well, that everything he said about Colin Irvine is correct, (I will be adding a lot more information about this, sell his own mother, in order to climb the police ladder ratbag).
I am writing this from a unique perspective, in that, I am not part of some criminal group, spilling the beans, I grew up into this situation, by the time i got to my twenties, I left, I was sick of, criminals, bent cops, and most of all, that nasty piece of work, Jerry Creedmore/Cornelius.
At this point, I would like to be fair to the good and honest police men and woman, who try to do their best, (the majority, I hope).
I have observed, over the years, that the rot sets in from the level of sergeant upwards, and to be fair, the reason for this rot/willingness to bend the rules is cops feel hard done by, they try to catch the bad guys, the court s give them a rap over the knuckles, treats them way to nicely, back out on the street.
So yes, the justice system is failing the people who are sworn to uphold the law, this does not give the police the moral right to bend the rules, if they cannot stick to the rules, of honesty, integrity, and upholding the laws of the land. (I presume this is what they get taught in Police College).
Police who break the law, become worse than the petty criminals on the street.
I have recently spoken with a former policeman, some pretty ripe stuff going on in the force, I will let him talk about that.
I have spoken with a lot of kiwis around NZ, it seems there is a growing disenchantment, with police, by average kiwis, (all those tickets they hand out in the name of safety don’t help).
This murder case highlights a serious flaw with our policing system, there is no one/organization, to ensure that they actually, do their job, they have complete power, for example, to lay charges, knowing their evidence is flimsy. As one cop said to me, about a case, it will cost him a fortune to defend the charge/case. Or, as in this case, lay no charge at all, and who are the ones holding the physical and written evidence, that’s right, the cops.
So if our police don’t have complete integrity, they become a dysfunctional organization, and as you will soon see, integrity is not a word to associate with the police command structure.
I hear that Jerry is still working for the cops, helped them to break up a pea lab/ ring, obviously they still consider him to be a useful asset, I hear he’s using the “harmless little old man” ploy/ cover, that’s when he’s not using the” I’m dead” cover. Marvellous aye?
The chemist shop burg that jack talks about, is classic Jerry, his version of chess, goes like this, only one king
(himself) everyone, and anyone else is a pawn, (the real game is much to boring for him, plus he might lose
that one) he commits a crime, then tells the cops (Irvine) I just heard through my contacts, it’s so and so, the cops
roll up to a address, low and behold, stashed out the back, the stolen goods, cops are real suckers for
this one, remember, this is what cops live for, the power and adrenalin.
Yes, I apologize to you good cops, again, my advice, don’t let the senior cops corrupt you.
I want to also make it clear, that I consider, Inspector Mike Hill, to be one of the good cops.
I am satisfied that he has played it straight, I know he was dead keen to pursue this murder case,
but it became obvious, after a while, that the brakes where on from above.
At one point, we, the witnesses, called in the media, in a effort to move things along, but the problem
with the media (written or TV) they still need the cops, they cannot afford to be blacklisted by the cops.
Next week I will start the story from when, Lionel, his mate, and Jerry left the camp, I wont reveal all the
details, (take to long for one thing) I am sure the cops will pop up, and say, Max you have just compromised
the case, we were just warming up the car, then on our way to arrest Jerry, yeah right guys, pull the other one.
But I will be talking about Jerry’s employment by NZ Police, not long after the murders, I will mention names,
Merv Theabold etc, at some point I will also publish a list of names, Jerry/police victims most of them still
don’t know that their “mate” jerry was the cause of their jail time.
max
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I recently met Jack van der Lubbe for a hour or so, there is no doubt in my mind, that Jack has been well and
truly shafted, over the years, by, Irvine, jerry and other cops, {cops are a bit like jerry, don’t like it when people
stand up to them, tell them they got it wrong}.
Jack is a man who is not prepared to let these guys step on his basic human rights, this is the very same
reason I am on this site, I believe that fairness and justice must prevail, if we can’t have these two vital needs
then our current civilization is at the end of the line.
I was interested to learn, from jack, that his original website got taken out by the cops, so much for the right
of free speech in NZ.
You will note that underneath Irvine’s and jerry’s photos, a new post, a letter written by jerry, this was about
the time he became aware, that Mike Hill was looking into Lionel’s disappearance, Jerry visited Ngaire,
on his return from this visit ,he then penned the above letter, {I can confirm that the handwriting on the
bottom is his} and, only jerry could write such a letter.
For those of you who are wondering what this sick letter is all about, { note the highlighted areas},
as I know jerry very well, {unfortunately} I know what he is really saying to his sister Ngaire,
yes, I killed your son Lionel.
The experts talk about how people who commit murder, must nearly always confess in some way.
Before I talk about the events leading up to Lionel’s, and his mates death, there are some points I would
like to make, points that people should ponder about our justice system.
Example one ”the Urawera 7 case, my contact in the system, tells me, that after they walked out of court,
the total money police had spent, at this point, 25 million dollars, so I would assume, now that the Urawera
4 have also walked out the court door, most likely, 30 million dollars spent, by police/justice department,
are my fellow taxpayers thrilled by this?
When a government minister makes serious mistakes, he is called up to explain, or resign, so where are
the police/crown prosecutors responsible for this giant cock-up, in hiding maybe? Or is this another
case of police/justice department ethos, “We are the law, so above the law”.
And lets face it, where these urarewa” terrorists” caught in the act of blowing up parliament, no did they
kill someone? No.
Not that i can claim to know all the details of this case, but it all looks pretty dodgy to me, in my opinion.
Example 2″ William Bell{ RSA murders} a media company ran a story on him, in this article, they implied he was gay, he had no problem with being called a murderer, but not happy with the gay label so he employed a
lawyer to sue the media company, yes, taxpayers, guess who footed the bill for this piece of shit to sue”.
Example 3″ Clayton Weatherston, we had to look at this syco on TV, watch him make up crap about how
his girlfriend provoked him into stabbing her 27 times, and under NZ law, are we going to let these guys
out one day”.
Lets discuss the Chinese version of justice, I have been there, as a foreigner felt completely safe on the
street, the reason for this, zero tolerance of crime, lets assume they had the same crime stats as us,
1.5 billion people, this would mean, thousands of jails, millions of cops etc to administer this nightmare,
so the reality is, no not possible, as one Chinese guy said to me, your criminals are dragging you down,
and he’s right, I don’t know what happens outside the back door of Chinese courtrooms, and I don’t care,
the people who talk about human rights, they forget about the rights of the victims, a person who takes a human life, should expect to lose his own life in return, yes, capital punishment then gives us a preventive.
On a brighter note, I see on the news last night, Christchurch cops arrest a suspect for Mallory Manning murder, good work guys, nice to see the system working as it should, pity that Lionel and his mate aren’t
getting the same diligent police work, isn’t it?
Yes, back to the main reason I am here {isn’t the internet wonderful}, I have already stated that the
police have more than enough evidence to convict Jerry, without the bodies, well, in fact, they don’t have all the evidence, I gave Mike Hill, some other leads/evidence, they never followed up this extra evidence, this evidence could only help ensure a watertight case.
So those plonkers at police HQ, still trying to call this a missing persons case?
I find this situation quite pathetic, {for lack of a better word} yes jerry did a lot of work for the cops,
{or should i use the word, entrapment, instead of work} so what, its a totally separate issue, a murder case
is taken on its own merits, I am sure there will be a lot of other stuff, behind this matter, stuff that I can only
guess about.
If the police spin doctors are worried about the police image, forget it, its already piss poor.
Out of time, my next post will start, with when they left the camp,
max.
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Okay, the story, the day that Jerry, Lionel, and the third man left camp, it was quite sudden, Jerry was giving me instructions, Lionel then commented, So your leaving him on his own?
They climbed down the cliff, over the Mangapurua stream, up the other side, and some time later I heard two gunshots.
That night I was in my bunk, a possum was in the tree on camp’s edge, I spent ages shooting him up, (enemy of dope growers)
Sometime next day I heard Jerry singing, he was on horseback, coming down the ridge behind battleship bluff. I was waiting for him when he crossed the stream and climbed up the cliff, I was excited, told him about the possum I had shot, I then said to him, hey dad, what where those gunshots when you guys left, he said, I shot some goats. (For those of you who don’t know your guns, its not really practical, to shoot goats with a shotgun).
So, what happened, well a lot of things have come together over the years since, we now know exactly what happened that day, I wont give those details here, very unpleasant stuff) and yes, the police do have all of those details.
Besides the dope crop in the Mangapurua, there was one in the Mangatiti Valley as well, it was his first go at dope growing, from memory, I don’t think he got much out of it.
At summers end we rode over to the Ruatiti Valley, we stayed with the Dekker family for a few months.
Jerry had the sawn of shotgun and a pistol hidden under his dogs kennel (No one would go near this dog, “edge”)
So what happened was, Jerry’s brother Bill was a bit pissed when he realized that he wasn’t going to get a cut of the dope crop, Bill told the cops that Jerry had a sawn of shotgun etc, (Bill didn’t know at this point that Jerry had killed Lionel and his mate.)
The cops then grabbed Jerry in the main street of Raetihi, There was a warrant out for his arrest, as he had jumped probation on his release from prison the previous year, the cops said, give us your guns, and we will let you off the probation warrant etc.
Soon after detective Graeme Bell (Yes Ten 7 Graeme Bell) arrived, Jerry lifted up the kennel, and gave the sawn off shotgun to him.
This was the stuff Jerry lived for, the gun that had killed two men, was given to the cops and they then destroyed it.
Jerry is a person, that has to prove to himself, and others, that he was smarter than anyone else, and if smarter wasn’t enough, then he would be meaner and nastier than anyone else, his favourite saying, that he lived his life by,” You can get back at someone, but they don’t have to know it was you”. He also considered the darkness of nighttime to be his ally. (People couldn’t see him coming, etc).
So detective Bell was the person who arranged the meeting between Jerry and Wellington drug squad detective Mervyn Theobold, they knew that Jerry had been in Witako prison with Terry Clark, Greg Ollard etc.
I know from Jerry’s conversations in later years, that he had expertly manipulated this situation into the cops offering him the job of infiltrating the drug scene in Wellington, etc.
I have previously mentioned that I will publish a list of jerrys/the police victims, well there’s no way I can remember them all, so I think its only fair to let Jerry himself tell the story. Max
“To lay by the heels was the technical expression for committing to prison.”
“LINDSAY EDWARDS”
FIRST REFERENCE TO COLIN IRVINE 12 JULY 1984
“Less than two weeks after the lawyer’s letter was sent to Cornelius (4/12/84) the Wanganui Drug Squad, detective Colin Irvine, came a-knocking at my door. He told me that he had a warrant and that he wanted to search the property for illegal drugs.”
PETER SCOTT, ROB BUTLER AND COLIN IRVINE ALL SWORE TO ME THAT JERRY WAS NOT ON THE POLICE PAYROLL, WASN’T AN INFORMER, THAT IRVINE WASN’T HIS CONTROLLER AND PROTECTOR AND THAT HE CERTAINLY WASN’T THE PERSON WHO HAD DENOUNCED ME AS A CHEMIST SHOP BURGLAR AND A USER AND DEALER OF HARD DRUGS. SHAMELESS LIARS, EVERY ONE OF THEM.
Noble Cause Corruption
By Steve Rothlein
There exists a serious threat to law enforcement, which can compromise the high ethical standards and values our profession has achieved during the past several decades. This threat is typically referred to as “Noble Cause Corruption.”
Traditional corruption is defined as the use of one’s official position for personal gain. The personal gain can be economic or otherwise, such as sexual favors. As a profession, we have long understood this type of abuse of power and, when discovered and investigated, those involved are arrested.
A less obvious but perhaps even more threatening type of misconduct in law enforcement is Noble Cause Corruption. This type of misconduct involves not necessarily the rotten apples in the agency but sometimes involves the best officers in the agency, or the golden apples. Noble Cause Corruption is a mindset or sub-culture which fosters a belief that the ends justify the means. In other words, law enforcement is engaged in a mission to make our streets and communities safe, and if that requires suspending the constitution or violating laws ourselves in order to accomplish our mission, then for the greater good of society, so be it. The officers who adopt this philosophy lose their moral compass. This type of thinking is misguided and places the officer at risk of losing his/her job, facing criminal charges, and seriously damaging the reputation of their agency. Some examples include; lying in court to convict a suspect, also referred to as “testilying”, planting evidence on suspects, and falsifying reports. When we engage in this type of behaviour, we adopt a philosophy that supports the notion that justice should be dispensed on the street, not in the courtroom, and it is morally right to do whatever it takes to imprison those who prey on society.
One example of this type of behavior, sometimes embodied in the battle cry, “Never let the truth stand in the way of justice,” is as follows: A subject is walking down the street when he turns and takes flight on foot because he observes a police car coming in his direction. The officer engages in a foot pursuit and observes the subject discard an unknown item into the bushes during the pursuit. After capturing the subject, the officer discovers he is a convicted felon on probation. The officer retrieves a firearm from the bushes but never actually saw what the item was that the subject discarded. If the officer testifies truthfully, the subject may survive his probation violation hearing. If the officer lies at the hearing, and testifies he saw the subject discard a firearm, his probation will be definitely violated and a dangerous criminal will be off the streets. This is the dilemma that officers find themselves in when they become tempted to exaggerate the truth and engage in noble cause corruption.
The tragic killing of Boston Police Officer Sherman Griffiths on February 17th, 1988, highlights the consequences that can occur from Noble Cause based law enforcement. On that date, officers from the Boston Police Department executed a search warrant at the home of Albert Lewin. As they entered the premises, Lewin shot and killed Officer Griffiths. Lewin was charged with murder but charges were later dismissed when it was discovered that the affidavit for search warrant filed by Detective Luna was based upon false information and a fictitious informant. Luna was indicted for perjury while all of the charges against Lewin, including the murder of a police officer, was dismissed. This case demonstrates the tragedy which can occur when officers suspend the constitution and fabricate evidence in the pursuit of justice.
The Innocence Project has disclosed over 200 individuals that have been released from prison because they were wrongly convicted. Many of these cases have been overturned as a result of DNA evidence, which established that the convicted subjects were innocent. A large percentage of these wrongful convictions have resulted in civil litigation, which has exposed false confessions, improper identifications, and perjured testimony by officers. Our system of justice was built upon the premise that it is better to allow a hundred guilty individuals go free than to wrongfully convict an innocent person. Many of these wrongfully convicted individuals served decades in prison and some on Death Row. There can be no doubt that the Noble Cause mentality is responsible for some of these instances of innocent persons being convicted. This is a stain and a disgrace to our profession.
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Police stand firm despite outrage over fooling court
03/06/2012
Lawyers have condemned a move that saw a court fooled into prosecuting an undercover cop to boost his criminal standing.
Police are defending the move because of the dangerous nature of undercover work, but a leading barrister says it is an “an abuse of process hitherto unknown” in the legal system.
Documents show the fake prosecution was signed off in 2010 by Chief District Court Judge Russell Johnson, who has since died.
A police letter to Johnson, obtained by the Sunday Star-Times, says undercover officer Michael Wiremu Wilson, who infiltrated the Red Devils gang, was arrested in an “orchestrated scenario” on May 29 that year, a move necessary to protect his assumed identity and “ensure his continued safety, divert suspicion, and enhance the appearance of criminality”.
The letter asks permission for the prosecution, but says because the agent is a policeman, he would have a “complete defence” under the Misuse of Drugs Act. But that act specifies no prosecution can start against an undercover officer, “except with the leave of the attorney-general”.
Wilson had infiltrated the Nelson chapter of the Red Devils motorcycle gang, which has links to the Hell’s Angels. He was charged with possession of equipment for cultivation of cannabis after a raid on a storage unit he was renting in Motueka.
Police national crime manager Detective Superintendent Rod Drew and Detective Senior Sergeant Warren Olsson met Johnson two days later, proposing the officer appear and plead guilty, with a conviction to be entered under his assumed identity.
Johnson agreed, but a police jobsheet noted he “did not want to know any identifying details of the agent or his court appearance”.
Senior Auckland barrister Eb Leary said the whole thing was a “fabricated sham calculated to deceive the Nelson District Court, and therefore the judicial system”.
He likened the case to “judicial misconduct”, calling it “an abuse of process hitherto unknown in the New Zealand legal system”, saying Johnson’s stance that he did not want to know the details was “worse than turning a blind eye”.
Wilson was arrested again in August 2010 after a raid on the Red Devils gang headquarters following a cage-fighting event. He was named in the Nelson Mail with dozens of others arrested, and was later charged with being found on unlicensed premises with an illegal bar. The newspaper reported a truck was needed to haul away the alcohol from the venue.
It is not known if police sought permission for the second court appearance, and it is understood the prosecutions were dropped after Wilson had made several appearances. None of the judges he appeared before was aware he was an undercover officer.
Criminal Bar Association acting vice-president Matthew Goodwin said he had never heard of such a thing in 21 years as a prosecutor or defence lawyer, and he questioned whether the police’s own prosecution guidelines had been violated.
“I doubt whether that process is sanctioned by statute, which raises serious questions. We have concerns about a false prosecution being processed through the courts.”
Goodwin said people should be prosecuted on a “principled basis”.
“I don’t think this would meet the police prosecution guidelines which require the police to have reliable evidence that a crime has been committed, because the police know the undercover officer would normally have a complete defence to the charge because of his role.”
Police released a statement yesterday saying undercover operations were difficult and dangerous, and often targeted organised and violent criminal groups.
“We use a wide range of techniques to infiltrate such groups, and will not comment on the nature or number of those techniques. Police policy is clear – police will not deceive the judiciary. So, in the event of an undercover officer being charged with an offence, the courts will be informed in an appropriate way.”
The Sunday Star-Times approached Minister for Courts Chester Borrows yesterday but he said through a spokesman he would “not be able to comment on the case in time for your story”.
– © Fairfax NZ News
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7035974/Police-stand-firm-despite-outrage-over-fooling-court
you mean bruce liddle, he will have some skelletons
Gary Rawnsley did not buy Jerry Corneliuss property.
It was purchased by a John Bedogni (trust)
Look up the titles
Gary
I recently met Jack van der Lubbe for a hour or so, there is no doubt in my mind, that Jack has been well and
truly shafted, over the years, by, Irvine, jerry and other cops, {cops are a bit like jerry, don’t like it when people
stand up to them, tell them they got it wrong}.
Jack is a man who is not prepared to let these guys step on his basic human rights, this is the very same
reason I am on this site, I believe that fairness and justice must prevail, if we can’t have these two vital needs
then our current civilization is at the end of the line.
I was interested to learn, from jack, that his original website got taken out by the cops, so much for the right
of free speech in NZ.
You will note that underneath Irvine’s and jerry’s photos, a new post, a letter written by jerry, this was about
the time he became aware, that Mike Hill was looking into Lionel’s disappearance, Jerry visited Ngaire,
on his return from this visit ,he then penned the above letter, {I can confirm that the handwriting on the
bottom is his} and, only jerry could write such a letter.
For those of you who are wondering what this sick letter is all about, { note the highlighted areas},
as I know jerry very well, {unfortunately} I know what he is really saying to his sister Ngaire,
yes, I killed your son Lionel.
The experts talk about how people who commit murder, must nearly always confess in some way.
Before I talk about the events leading up to Lionel’s, and his mates death, there are some points I would
like to make, points that people should ponder about our justice system.
Example one ”the Urawera 7 case, my contact in the system, tells me, that after they walked out of court,
the total money police had spent, at this point, 25 million dollars, so I would assume, now that the Urawera
4 have also walked out the court door, most likely, 30 million dollars spent, by police/justice department,
are my fellow taxpayers thrilled by this?
When a government minister makes serious mistakes, he is called up to explain, or resign, so where are
the police/crown prosecutors responsible for this giant cock-up, in hiding maybe? Or is this another
case of police/justice department ethos, “We are the law, so above the law”.
And lets face it, where these urarewa” terrorists” caught in the act of blowing up parliament, no did they
kill someone? No.
Not that i can claim to know all the details of this case, but it all looks pretty dodgy to me, in my opinion.
Example 2″ William Bell{ RSA murders} a media company ran a story on him, in this article, they implied he was gay, he had no problem with being called a murderer, but not happy with the gay label so he employed a
lawyer to sue the media company, yes, taxpayers, guess who footed the bill for this piece of shit to sue”.
Example 3″ Clayton Weatherston, we had to look at this syco on TV, watch him make up crap about how
his girlfriend provoked him into stabbing her 27 times, and under NZ law, are we going to let these guys
out one day”.
Lets discuss the Chinese version of justice, I have been there, as a foreigner felt completely safe on the
street, the reason for this, zero tolerance of crime, lets assume they had the same crime stats as us,
1.5 billion people, this would mean, thousands of jails, millions of cops etc to administer this nightmare,
so the reality is, no not possible, as one Chinese guy said to me, your criminals are dragging you down,
and he’s right, I don’t know what happens outside the back door of Chinese courtrooms, and I don’t care,
the people who talk about human rights, they forget about the rights of the victims, a person who takes a human life, should expect to lose his own life in return, yes, capital punishment then gives us a preventive.
On a brighter note, I see on the news last night, Christchurch cops arrest a suspect for Mallory Manning murder, good work guys, nice to see the system working as it should, pity that Lionel and his mate aren’t
getting the same diligent police work, isn’t it?
Yes, back to the main reason I am here {isn’t the internet wonderful}, I have already stated that the
police have more than enough evidence to convict Jerry, without the bodies, well, in fact, they don’t have all the evidence, I gave Mike Hill, some other leads/evidence, they never followed up this extra evidence, this evidence could only help ensure a watertight case.
So those plonkers at police HQ, still trying to call this a missing persons case?
I find this situation quite pathetic, {for lack of a better word} yes jerry did a lot of work for the cops,
{or should i use the word, entrapment, instead of work} so what, its a totally separate issue, a murder case
is taken on its own merits, I am sure there will be a lot of other stuff, behind this matter, stuff that I can only
guess about.
If the police spin doctors are worried about the police image, forget it, its already piss poor.
Out of time, my next post will start, with when they left the camp,
max.
max.
since my last posts on this site, i have been receiving quite a few silent phone calls in the evenings,
i have no doubt that a certain group are waiting for me to go somewhere, well guys, i aint dumb enough to
leave the documents you want in my house, if i do get burgled, i dont think ill be visiting the cop shop.
i wonder how many other police witnesses, like myself, have become aleinated with the, police.
max
No Jack, not you or anyone else have blown my socks of. You are not capable.
I have in depth knowledge of all the goings on down those valleys.
Max, stop being so paranoid. I know all the cops you have mentioned, and yes they are all corrupte.
Big shame about your uncle getting of those charges, but we all know it was not going to and he was going to walk.
Jacki
Jacki said that he has an in depth knowledge of all the goings on down those valleys but he’s added nothing of interest. He also said that he knows all the cops that Max has mentioned, and that they are all corrupte.(sic) but again he’s added nothing except for some alleged dealings with a probably fictional bent cop named “Pearse Hunt”.
Tell us something new Jacki, plumb that in depth knowledge of yours and add something of value.
Not going to add anything either Eggy, bit of a waste of time. Its all going nowhere.
You know, its like he said, she said.
Some one of your ilk should know who Pearse Hunt was/is. Senior detective over in Taihape.
Was a good mate of your uncle Bills Max. he also had dealings with Jerry.
When the going got hot he changed jobs.
Now a very wealthy deer farmer.
Jacki.
I reckon you’re a cop Jacki, You’re trying to get this site shut down by breaking a suppression order.
What the hell is a suppression order eggy ????????????????
Gag order
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A gag order (also known as a gagging order or suppression order) is an order, sometimes a legal order by a court or government, other times a private order by an employer or other institution, restricting information or comment from being made public, or in some cases, passed onto a third party.
Gag orders are often used against participants involved in a lawsuit or criminal trial. They are also a tool to prevent media from publishing unwanted information on a particular topic. A Criminal Court, for instance, will issue a gag order on the media if the judge believes that potential jurors in a future trial will be influenced by the media reporting or speculation on the early stages of a case. Another example might be to ensure police are not impeded in their investigations by media publicity about a case.
In a similar manner, a ‘gag law’ is intended to limit freedom of the press, by instituting censorship or restricting access to information.
Here you go Jackie
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7109759/Sex-slave-case-man-named
To be quite honest none of you have enlightened any of us to any greater detail than what has been available either via crime watch, the missing and the NZ herald….
Given that I too was intrinsically involved in Mike Hills initial investigation, and others since, i can honestly say that to date nothing significant in the form of information, evidence or other proof has been provided by Max or any other since then.
Why no one is willing to come forth with any additional or more damning evidence against some decrepit old man, whether he is alive or dead, he is still no real threat to anybody, is still quite amazing to me. Surely to god there is more evidence than what has been produced so far to date.
No disrespect to Max, who was actually quite honourable and brave when he was not only willing to step up but also step forward to provide the information he has which was approximately 12 years ago now, there is still nothing evidentially solid enough to truly bury the bastard. Given how long ago it occurred and the age he was at the time it is not surprising the information is limited.
And Jackie, for someone who has ‘in depth knowledge of the goings on in the valleys’, you have literally provided little in the form of actual discussion points apart from a pitiful debate about nothing, and if you are reading this blog without an actual understanding of what a suppression order is perhaps should consider reading and contributing to something more remedial. As far as this blog, and case, is concerned Max has certainly provided a hell of a lot more than the feeble bit of crap you have chosen to post above, so either submit something worth reading or i suggest you piss off back to your valley of obscurity where you belong.
And just for clarification, I am the son of Lionel Russell
If you want to get away with multiple murder, serial rape, kidnapping etc etc become a NZ Police “employee”.
Hey Sydney,
The reason no one is willing to come fourth is that apart from Max, “who was only a kid back then” is that if Jerry did it he was on his own, way the hell in the middle of nowhere. The big question is, how long after they left camp did Max recone he heard the gun shots which i dont denie, 20 mintes, half an hour, one hour or a couple of hours.
I have covered all those valleys and ridges getting cattle out while working for his brother, Bill for a short time.
And he is no saint either. Both brothers most always got some one else to do their dirty work.
I also commend Max for what he has done Sydney. So am not knocking Max.
Not the outcome every one wanted for Bill, but good at the same time.
Top lawyer surprised at Cornelius decision
Saturday June 16 2012 13:14
A top defence lawyer is surprised Whanganui man William Cornelius has been allowed to walk free.
He’s been deemed unfit even though the judge said he probably is a serial rapist because he has mild dementia.
Peter Williams QC says a person can escape trial if they can’t understand the charge or the difference between guilty and not guilty.
The same applies if they can’t intelligently discuss or prepare the case.
“So usually if a person is unfit to plea, they are fairly psychotic.”
Mr Williams says it’s unusual Cornelius has not been committed to a mental institution.
“It would seem to me that the proper place for him is in some form of mental institution where he’s contained and where he receives treatment.”
Mr Williams says if Cornelius is guilty, it’s wrong in many ways for him to be wandering around.
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“If you want to get away with multiple murder, serial rape, kidnapping etc etc become a NZ Police “employee”.”
Dont know why every one keeps on calling Bill a Whanganui man.
As most of us know, he lives approx 45 klm from Raetihi in the bottom of the Mangatiti Valley.
I Told you all back on 22nd May, Bill was going to walk free. Even though his name is out there, which is punishment of sorts to a low degree, he is still a free man, smilling away about what he has done .
Because of his location, he and his boys are untouchable.
Jacki.
It’s not where you live that makes you untouchable Jacki, it’s who you know, or to put it another way, “If you want to get away with multiple murder, serial rape, kidnapping etc etc become a NZ Police “employee”.”
Bill at his place at Mangatiti is about as untouchable as Brett Hall was untouchable at his place at Pitangi track.
Nah, he is more untouchable than that eggy. We all know that.
Hey, i notice in todays Chronical, page A10 some one by the name of Cindy61 defended Cournelius and that if his wife and a later partner had not both been deceased, they would have been able to give evidence in his defence. Sad.
Tommy Sutcliff.
Bet the courts didnt realize that they had released him into a game shooting situation. Their property is advertised as a game hunting safari set up. The old bugger seemed strange when we met him with a couple of his boys. Won’t be going back down there again.
Jim Ryan.
Hi, I’ve been reading the comments with interest. I would really like to know more about the Bill Cornelius case, especially as he’s been accused of doing this several times in the past. I know that the media made mention of other complainants who have not wished to be named – how did Bill Cornelius get away with keeping young women hostage and sexually abusing them? Does anyone believe that he murdered any of these women?
Max, you made mention of knowing he was guilty of sexual abuse – was this common knowledge? Without naming names, I’m well aware of how victims need to be protected, can you give me any more examples of young women both within and outside the family, who were victims of Bill? I believe wholeheartedly that he has walked away from his crimes relatively unscathed by the law – but how? It seems that his sexual offending was common knowledge in the area. Were people afraid of him?
I’d appreciate any enlightenment you can offer. Honara Payne.
Thanks for your reply.
After what Bill Cornelius put Heather through, I can’t believe that he just let the other women walk away, and there’s no doubt there were other women who were kept and abused on the property. Particularly as a few have refused to be named but have given evidence.
He seems to be very good at lulling girls into a false sense of security and then turning into a regular blue beard. I doubt anyone will ever get access to do a thorough search of the property – I imagine there are more than a few unmarked graves there. I’ve also heard of more than a few hitchhikers and overseas tourists going missing in that area.
I just think that Heather’s story is the tip of the iceberg and it’s a total travesty that this man is still on the loose. The judge should be raked over the coals for letting him return to the valley. There should also be a police enquiry as to how this family have managed to get away with their reign of terror for so long.
If anyone else knows any more info about possible other victims please let me know, even anonymously – I am using his case for my studies and am desperately trying to find out more as I think this case is much bigger than the media have painted it.
Thanks very much.
Hey Honara.
Your asking for info about bill and his goings on down the valley which is fine, but then you claim to know about some of the goings on. Maybe you could enlighten us with your knowledge?
Cheers
Kia ora ‘rather not say’.
Sure, I got interested in this because some of my family live in Raehiti and knew Bill. He’d drop in now and again, mainly to get the heads up about upcoming hunting expeditions but I think there was a little business with marijuana as well. My 2nd cousin was terrified of him, she told me that he had tried it on with her when she was about 13 or 14 and that he frightened her. They knew he liked really young girls and he used to boast about the girls he had at the farm. I knew nothing of this before the recent court case but contacted my cousin to see if she knew anything about the guy.
The more I asked around and researched the more I feel that this is way bigger than it’s been reported. I don’t think he’s a harmless old man who made a single mistake back in the 80’s – I think he is a serial offender and very possibly a murderer.
I am an adult student currently studying to be a counsellor and have used this case as a study on victim impact and the ways in which victims behave after the fact. Although I guess my interest has gone beyond the study, I just wanted to know if there was any light that could be shed on the man.
Thanks.
Honara
Steve, Collins, inclined to say more, rather not say, and interested all have the same ip addy.
ONE DOWN, ONE TO GO. Good fucking job.
Hey Honara, may be you could put some of your studies into his daughters and how he treated them.
Hey Jack, your listing about the ip addy, you really stuffed up on that one. But at the end of the day, another one down and i think there is a lot of rejoiceing going on. Fair well uncle Bill and fucking good job.
“Hey Jack, your listing about the ip addy, you really stuffed up on that one”
I relied on the ip address information on the site dashboard to make that post Anonymous.
“No need to make stuff up, the truth is sufficient.”
Anon, you’re implying you have information about Bill Cornelius’ treatment of his daughters. What about telling me what you know? My email is included in my previous posts.
Has this site been shut down???????
Since Uncle died i dont think anyone has any thing to say now, good fucken ridence to the dirty old bastard.
It’s a pity his own daughter didn’t come foward sooner.
That wasn’t the one that was haveing an afair with her step brother Clayton, was it Honara?
Hey Honara, both 6269 and Anon have got it real wrong. Yes i agree that Andrea was a well liked person as well though. You only got to ask Robin Te wanau down in Pipiriki about that. Oh no, sorry you can’t do that as he is dead also.
was wondering when you were going to bring up robin
Had to come out sooner or later.
Hi KKK – yes I know 6269 has it completely wrong – it’s quite interesting how blind people can be – even as friends of monsters like Bill. I haven’t been on for a while due to the lack of info – kind of given up on getting anything concrete on Bill for my study so had to broaden it out to other offenders. Pity, as I think there’s loads to be learnt from this kind of situation. That someone can set themselves up in a remote location, intimidate neighbours and locals, invite girls and women to the property under false pretenses (eg: working as a child tutor), manipulate them and psychologically & physically abuse them until they are a shadow of their former selves, and get away with it for years – even though a community has their own suspicions. Then he finally meets a woman willing to stay with him long enough to produce female children and he has his own little harem of ready made victims. Not to mention his neices.
It reads like a horror film. People don’t talk because they don’t want to get involved, and Bill was a vindictive and violent person – they were frightened of him. It’s the same story with the UK entertainer Jimmy Saville, lots of people knew what was happening and yet he got away with child abuse for years, it’s only since he died it’s all come out.
My question is whether this has more to do with Bill, or the community he chose to operate within? Would he have got away with his crimes if he had lived elsewhere – was the rural setting ideal because people in small communities are private and don’t want to cause upset in a place where everybody knows each other?
Anyway, I’m rambling. The fact is he’s dead, thank god, and maybe some of his victims can find some small degree of peace knowing this malevolent force no longer exists. No one who was a victim of Bill Cornelius should ever blame themselves – he was a master of manipulation and his final legacy is to be hated and reviled by New Zealanders as a perverted monster.
Honara.
Well writen Honara, Bill got away with a lot of it earlier on like 20/30 years back because no one that was affected was prepeard to come foword or speak about it. It even happened to a few of the girls living with in a 30 klm radius extending to raetihi. The perants of some of the girls he manipulated even farmed in the valley and surrounding areas. They weren’t prepeared to push anything because when people started really talking, they were like, Nah not my daughter. She’d never be involved in that with him. So it was pushed under the carpet sort of thing and never spoken about. BUT TRUST ME HONARA< THE SCARS ARE STILL THERE. They will never leave.
The other reason he got away with it is that it was such an isolated place back then. Took a day to get in on horse back. No one ever much went in there except dope growers and such.
Different today.
My heart goes out to you KKK – you and all the other women that had any contact with this hideous excuse for a human being. I wish all the best for you and hope that while the scars are there, you can find some peace in the fact that Bill Cornelius was finally exposed for what he was – a predator and abuser of young and vulnerable women and girls – none of whom deserved what happened to them. x
Yes eggy, but he is still a “free” man.
Just got to get used to it, No one can touch him.
he is now acting as a legal adviser in civil lawsuits in napier,
no wonder he looked at me weird when i told him how i hated bent cops and the fact i new plenty of skeletons are in the closets of many senior local cops.
Max if you read this I’d really appreciate any info about Bill and his behaviour towards women. Thanks very much. Honara. My email is Honara.Payne@gmail.com
okay, the story, the day that jerry ,lionell, and the third man left camp,it was quite sudden,jerry was giving me instructions,lionell then commented,so your leaving him on his own?.
they climbed down the cliff,over the mangapura stream, up the other side, some time later i heard two
gunshots.
that night i was in my bunk, a possum was in the tree on camps edge, i spent ages shooting him up,
{enemy of dopegrowers}.
sometime next day i heard jerry singing, he was on horseback, comeing down the ridge behind battleship
bluff, i was waiting for him when he crossed the stream and climbed up the cliff, i was excited, told him about
the possum i had shot, i then said to him, hey dad,what where those gunshots when you guys left,
he said, i shot some goats. {for those of you who dont know your guns,not really practicall,to shoot goats
with a shotgun}.
so, what happended, well a lot of things have come together over the years since,we now know exactly
what happend that day, i wont give those details here,{very unpleasant stuff}, and yes, the police do have
all of those details.
besides the dope crop in the mangapura, there was one in the mangatiti valley as well, it was his first go
at dope growing, from memory,i dont think he got much out of it.
at summers end we rode over to the ruatiti valley, we stayed with the dekker family for a few months.
jerry had the sawn of shotgun and a pistol hidden under his dogs kennel{ no one would go near this dog”,edge”}.
so what happend was, jerrys brother bill was a bit pissed, he realized that he wasent going to get a cut
of the dope crop, bill told the cops that jerry had a sawn of shotgun etc,{bill dident know at this point that
jerry had killed lionell and his mate}.
cops then grabbed jerry in the main street of raetihi, there was a warrant out for his arrest,as he had jumped probation on his release from prison the previous year, cops said, give us your guns, and we will let
you off the probation warrent etc.
soon after detective graeme bell{ yes ten 7 greame bell} arrived, jerry lifted up kennel,and gave the sawn
off shotgun to him.
this was the stuff jerry lived for,the gun that had killed two men,was given to the cops ,they then destroyed it.
jerry is a person,that has to prove to himself,and others,that he was smarter than anyone else, and if smarter wasent enough, then he would be meaner and nastyer than anyone else, his favourite saying,that he lived his life by,”you can get back at someone,but they dont have to know it was you”.
he allso considerd the darkness of nightime to be his ally{ people couldent see him comeing , etc}.
so detecive bell was the person who arranged the meeting between jerry and wellington drug squad detecive merv theobold, they knew that jerry had been in witako prison with terry clark, greg ollard etc.
i know from jerrys conversations in later years,that he had expertly manipulated this situation,
into the cops offering him the job of infilltrating the drug scene in wellington, etc.
i have previously mentioned that i would publish a list of jerry/ police victims,well theres no way i can
remember them all, so i think its only fair to let jerry himself tell the story
I don’t know. I think steve knows a thing or two and is not letting on.
drank moonshine with this guy. went back to see one of his daughters (uninvited), mistake.
got biten by the dog and had a shoty pointed at me.
no hard feelings K.or C
initially went there with a mutual friend, good straight guy, not all his mates were crooks.
Also stayed at bills place back when the girl was there.
didnt really understand the actual situation
just thought the old guy had a young girlfriend and had told her not to talk with the young blokes who were visiting
those days were an interesting time
Woah, this site is a complete eye opener for me. My father vanished completely, mid to late 70s. Last known region central north island. New Plymouth, whakatane. I registered him as missing person early 90’s. Not a lot been done. A phone call late 90s, bones found some place. Wanted my description of him..they already had everything I know, along with the fact last confirmed sighting of him was by the police in new Plymouth, arrested for fraudulent cheques. He had 3 different birth dates, they didnt seem to have noticed, also incorrect height and description details. 2009 they asked for my dna. Nada since then. Yes, I guess he could be one of those people who just up n disappear. Or a person who very easy to be rid of, with nobody wondering where he is. I was just young at the time, but I not now. I want to know what happened. Strange and unusual. He would be 73 now, if he is still alive.